Re: Ignore my last message, was accident
Posted by phayon959 on .
So for your first question, your struggle with internal feelings of guilt or ethical dilemma are on you, I'm afraid. There's plenty of argument to be made that Nintendo deserves to have their games pirated or whatever because of consumer unfriendly business practices and refusal to listen to what their customers want from them. But in the end, the things hosted here and the collection of roms is not strictly legal in most countries and it is a very real possibility that Vimm could up and disappear one day because of this. Vimm has a few safeguards against that but ultimately they aren't any sort of guarantee Nintendo or Sony of whoever won't find the site (assuming they don't already know about it, which seems unlikely) and send out letters.
As to your second question, there's no way to make Nintendo do anything if they don't want to. They've heard fans moaning and groaning about their terrible virtual consoles and glorified emulators on the Switch and stuff and they don't care. Possibly because they already know people are and have emulated things for so long.
I mean you said it yourself at the end of your message, that Nintendo will never rerelease the games in the form of the virtual console again and you're probably right because companies aren't all that interested in preservation of ancient games and there is some possibility they've given up on trying to destroy emulation completely until it's something staring them in the face they can't ignore anymore. Emuparadise doesn't have Nintendo roms anymore because they just put everything they could with no regard to how that might make waves. Companies have a duty to protect their assets and copyrights from nearly every instance they know of or they face a very real possibility of losing the protections they enjoy of having them in the first place.
You are correct that if Nintendo wanted to start shoving games on some platform like Steam or GOG or whatever then people would buy them. But they have their OWN platform to use and shove whatever they want on there and they just don't cause they aren't interested or are too caught up in legal issues with putting out the games from long ago (lot of licensed games and stuff on the NES/SNES back then).
Okay, I know that this is impossible because Nintendo is greedy and makes a lot of really bad decisions beyond their competitors, but I'm wondering, how can we make Nintendo create a Rom site. I'm serious because I really want to give Nintendo money for all of the amazing games that they've created over the years. I started pirating retro games in 2015 when my uncle told me that I could pirate Super Mario Sunshine on my mother's mac via Dolphin. Back then I used OpenEmu2 and, Emparadice back in their glory days, and my god did it show a world that was amazing beyond anything in the virtual console. First of OpenEmu2 was and still is a much better Emulator than the virtual console, I could explore the art of Rom hacks, and have a more complete library than something like this site puts the number of virtual console titles available into the garbage slam-dunk style. I could play great games like Super Mario Sunshine on the GC and TMNT 4 on the SNES, something that I couldn't even get legally at all by any means, it was amazing. So I ended up ditching the virtual console when I found out that ROM sites and Emulators exist. Later I found out that pirating games that you can give to the original developer but just don't is unethical and that you should dump games into Emulators or at least own them in one form or another before you pirate them, and the thing is, I own a WIIU, and I revised Super Mario bros on the system, and man does NES games look like a bit of crap on the WIIU, and the thing is, I don't want to buy old games on it anymore, I'd much rather buy then on the Nintendo Switch Or Pc than anything else. And I just feel so guilty about not paying for these legacy titles, and I would pay them if they put their games on Steam or if they made their own Rom Site like what Nerrel said. Unfortunately, Nintendo is very greedy about its property, even going as far as to tell you that you can't pirate Melee even though they don't sell it to you anymore. With that being said I would just like you all to answer 2 questions if you will.
1) How can I walk the tightrope between Emulating and Pirating stuff, because I don't want to pirate a Link to the Past or Earthbound without feeling as though I'm doing something unethical by not buying it on the virtual console, yet at the same time I don't want to be so anti-pirate that I shame people for downloading Mother 3 and Goldeneye even though they're not being made for purchase officially anymore.
2) How can we force Nintendo to rerelease and preserve their legacy titles in an accessible and convenient way that could compete with the amount of legacy Nintendo offerings on Emuparadice, and that it fixes any problem that the virtual console had and only improves with time.
A Rom site is what I'm thinking of as the best solution to all of this just like what Nerrel said in his Emulation videos because I know that the reason that the majority of you are pirating from this website is that you don't have access to most of the games here. And DRM measures and shutting down Rom Sites isn't obviously gonna do anything to stop the piracy of these retro games, and if they price it like Sega with steam games, then a lot of us now would probably buy them.
I don't want Vimm's Lair to die a tragic death just like emuparadice did, especially since Nintendo will never rerelease these games in the form of the virtual console again unless if we make our voices heard and for them to handle negative criticism and actually listen to their fans.
1) How can I walk the tightrope between Emulating and Pirating stuff, because I don't want to pirate a Link to the Past or Earthbound without feeling as though I'm doing something unethical by not buying it on the virtual console, yet at the same time I don't want to be so anti-pirate that I shame people for downloading Mother 3 and Goldeneye even though they're not being made for purchase officially anymore.
2) How can we force Nintendo to rerelease and preserve their legacy titles in an accessible and convenient way that could compete with the amount of legacy Nintendo offerings on Emuparadice, and that it fixes any problem that the virtual console had and only improves with time.
A Rom site is what I'm thinking of as the best solution to all of this just like what Nerrel said in his Emulation videos because I know that the reason that the majority of you are pirating from this website is that you don't have access to most of the games here. And DRM measures and shutting down Rom Sites isn't obviously gonna do anything to stop the piracy of these retro games, and if they price it like Sega with steam games, then a lot of us now would probably buy them.
I don't want Vimm's Lair to die a tragic death just like emuparadice did, especially since Nintendo will never rerelease these games in the form of the virtual console again unless if we make our voices heard and for them to handle negative criticism and actually listen to their fans.
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| Re: Ignore my last message, was accident | DerpySnake -- 1/10/2021 12:26 pm UTC |